Stop signs

[Dunco]

What this does is release police to do more pressing duties instead of going to a stupid 2 bob collision which at least one idiot has caused. The matter is handed over to Insurance companies to deal with instead of wasting police time.
I just thought that booking idiots that cause and have accidents may have been more pressing than say having 5 police booking people for using 100 metres of T2 roadway when they are the only car on the road or booking people for moving slightly at a stop sign, but you obviously disagree. Unless of cause you mean by more pressing, getting more income for the time spent.
If this happened to you...would anything have changed if the police took a report, It would have been nice to see the idiot that actually DID cause an accident booked instead of the police trotting of to book someone for something that MAY cause an accident or did your insurance still fix the car for you ??? That is what you pay them to do... YES but that is not my point

Anyway, not wanting to get into too deep an argument on a friendly forum so I will leave it there. We can agree to disagree on some aspects. Have a nice day Gary.

Bob,

Who said police only issue tickets...give it a rest mate. The large percentage of general Duties Police would be lucky to give out 1 ticket a week as they are too bloody busy looking after the rest of the violent idiots in today's society. If you were booked by a cop in a Paddy Wagon or a Divvie van, then you really deserve it.

The Highway patrol issue tickets to those that break the traffic Laws, so if you have been one of them and are now whinging...bad luck. Sorry. There a very very few people in life that actually admit to committing the offence they were booked for....and that includes those people who have committed any Crime. Very rare to hear someone say..."Yep, I did it. The Cops were right"

Instead they rave on about revenue raising...forgetting they have committed an offence. Drive careful now.

[metoo1956]

hi Luvo

how many have actually answered your question?
(in your opinion.. not the quoters)

[Bernie]

Agreed we've copped our quota of quoters .
So let's get back to the question eh?

[waznme]

G'Day

I am a bit pedantic about this so Yes I do stop completely at stop signs.

Except............... Just a few kilometres west of my place is a railway crossing where the railway has been closed for a few years. The only people who stop are tourists so I keep moving in case there is a local behind me. They would quite likely run up the back of me if I stopped

The local Council has a meet the "locals" thing in the Hall here every year or so. I have asked that the signs be removed so we are not all breaking the law whenever we go through here but apparently the railway own them so the Council won't touch them. Marvelous how the wheels of Government work, at any level


Waz

[Ozzietravelers]

Saw this stop sign near Wandoan (CQ) last year. It has been a while since the train passed by on the track. Yes I did stop and then realised I could not see the track because of the grass and it was covered in bitumen too. So I considered it safe to cross. How difficult is it for the local council or rail authority to remove the sign??

[Mick themungrel]

Saw this stop sign near Wandoan (CQ) last year. It has been a while since the train passed by on the track. Yes I did stop and then realised I could not see the track because of the grass and it was covered in bitumen too. So I considered it safe to cross. How difficult is it for the local council or rail authority to remove the sign??

Yep got to love it Ron .
Theres a rail crossing in Balaklava SA that on the Bdouble permit is noted "26m bd not to cross " and there are signs saying that the rail line is no longer in use .

[Max - Sydney]

Agreed we've copped our quota of quoters .
So let's get back to the question eh?

Well - I try. I try to obey all the rules, but never would I be so stupid as to say "I always, 100% of the time, obey the letter of the law." I'd like to but am not that reliable. Like most people (and obviously excluding some people here who are so certain of their reliability) I make mistakes, and sometimes get carried away and rush through a stop sign or yellow light.

My conscience in the passenger seat normally points out when I do something like that and that does help to remind me to try harder.

But the simple answer to the question in my case in "No".

Max

[AlbyofCraigmore]

Agreed we've copped our quota of quoters .
So let's get back to the question eh?

Well - I try. I try to obey all the rules, but never would I be so stupid as to say "I always, 100% of the time, obey the letter of the law." I'd like to but am not that reliable. Like most people (and obviously excluding some people here who are so certain of their reliability) I make mistakes, and sometimes get carried away and rush through a stop sign or yellow light.

My conscience in the passenger seat normally points out when I do something like that and that does help to remind me to try harder.

But the simple answer to the question in my case in "No".

Max

A truthful man to be sure, to be sure.

cheers,

[Berny]

Saw this stop sign near Wandoan (CQ) last year. It has been a while since the train passed by on the track. Yes I did stop and then realised I could not see the track because of the grass and it was covered in bitumen too. So I considered it safe to cross. How difficult is it for the local council or rail authority to remove the sign??

You have to be very careful of signs which look just like that and appear to be redundant, in FNQ sugar cane country. Lots of the train crossings there and sc trains still pop out from amongst the weeds to cross the road and catch you if you're not very careful.

[Lance]

OK, now you have a choice...........

[bellett65]

OK, now you have a choice...........

I have known them in the past to be called California Rolls. It is a good reminder.

Peter

[sundown]

Yes, I STOP at stop signs every time NOW.
Was busted for rolling through one in Mildura on Boxing Day 1966 (seems almost in a past life).
The Blue-Boys 'pinched' a lot that same day there.
My mate in the passenger side laughed his head off all the time the officer spoke to me and I "yes-sirred"
& "no-sirred" him. Forget the actual cost but it made a BIG impression on me and put the dampeners on the
few days we spent there.


The best part was as we were about to drive off the BIG Blue-boy looked through the driver's window and
in a low but distinct tone, said to my mate "If I were you I'd pull my arm in-you could get a ticket for
having your elbow out of the car."

Bl**dy priceless at the time. Made for at least some laughs at the time......and for many years after.

BUT I did learn something that day....................

So, YES I STOP !!!!!

[Jedo_03]

Read the whole thread and wonder exactly what STOP means...

I'm in Broken Hill - the car park of our motor registry has a STOP sign at the only exit...
When the L drivers come to take their driving test they MUST STOP at the sign...
Dunno about any other road / highway in NSW / Aus - but if the L driver does not STOP, DISENGAGE GEAR, APPLY THE HANDBRAKE then s/he is automatically FAILED on the spot. The driving test ceases on the spot. FAILED. Re-apply in the future...
Jedo

[waznme]

I'm in Broken Hill - the car park of our motor registry has a STOP sign at the only exit...
When the L drivers come to take their driving test they MUST STOP at the sign...
Dunno about any other road / highway in NSW / Aus - but if the L driver does not STOP, DISENGAGE GEAR, APPLY THE HANDBRAKE then s/he is automatically FAILED on the spot. The driving test ceases on the spot. FAILED. Re-apply in the future...
Jedo

Hmmm, sounds a bit over the top to me.


Waz

[Alan 41]

Hmmm, sounds a bit over the top to me.
Waz

In A word CRAZY.

[Luvo]

I'll play devils advocate for this one. There are a couple of reasons an examiner could require a student to take it out of gear and apply the handbrake at a Stop sign;
1. It would demonstrate full control of the vehicle
2. It would demonstrate full compliance of the Stop sign (If the handbrake is on properly, the vehicle won't move?)
3. It would give the student time to compose themself.

Now. If I was the examiner however, I'd make it painfully clear to the student BEFORE the examination goes ahead, exactly what I expected. Especially as in this case, no road rules are actually being broken or even bent if the handbrake isn't applied.
I can draw a comparison to motorcycles at Stop signs here. It would be reasonable to expect a motorcyclist to put their left foot down at a Stop sign right? Gotta stop after all? Well there are some who have the skills to bring their bike to a complete stop without dropping a foot. I'm not one of them. It's a great debate amongst motorcyclists. I've heard 2nd hand stories of coppers booking bikies for not dropping the foot, but can't substantiate it.

Steve.

[metoo1956]

It's a great debate amongst motorcyclists. I've heard 2nd hand stories of coppers booking bikies for not dropping the foot, but can't substantiate it.

Steve.

it happened, many years ago group riding out to a paddock to practise, stopped at the line (sorta one at a time) 1 guy booked, he was the "compertition trials rider" in the group, the rest of us were the 'tag alongs'.
also guy from work booked while riding in a 60 zone; had a foot off a peg !!!
so if moving & foot off get booked, if not moving & foot on get booked, at what 'time' does motionless apply? (no answer required as it obviously is dependent upon which side of the bed the officer of the law got out of that day)

[Dunco]

if not moving & foot on get booked, at what 'time' does motionless apply? (no answer required as it obviously is dependent upon which side of the bed the officer of the law got out of that day)

Why do people continue to blame the poor old COP...maybe if you didn't do anything wrong, then you wouldn't have to speak to one. Sounds quite simple and easy to understand to me...or is it rocket science and I'm missing something

[Groovy]

Dunco
Does the law state that a motor cyclist must put a foot on the ground when they stop at a stop sign, or merely that they must cease all forward motion ?

[Dunco]

Dunco
Does the law state that a motor cyclist must put a foot on the ground when they stop at a stop sign, or merely that they must cease all forward motion ?

I have never heard of that Law Greg, but I am not saying it isn't there.

My attitude is, if someone gets booked for an "obscure" offence, then they must've failed the Attitude test and the COP is giving them one for being an smartarse

Means they did do something, and they are getting the smaller fine...normally